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JCP EC minutes (public): October 16 2012

Executive Committee Meeting Minutes
for October 16 2012

version 0.1: October 24 2012



October 16, 2012





  • Patrick Curran, Heather Vancura
  • Stefano Andreani – present
  • Aplix John Rizzo – present
  • ARM – Paul Manfrini – present
  • AT&T Roger Mahlerpresent (NON-VOTING MEMBER)
  • Deutsche Telekom not present
  • IBM – Mark Rogalski – present
  • Werner Keil – present
  • Nokia Gao Siyu, Wang Chengpresent
  • Oracle – Calinel Pasteanu, Roger Riggs – present
  • RIM – not present (NON-VOTING MEMBER)
  • Siemens Christoph Kuhmuench – present
  • TOTVS Hernan Perrone present
  • Vodafone Guenter Klas present

Total attendance: 10 of 11 voting members

  • Azul Systems – Gil Tene present
  • Credit Suisse – Susanne Cech Previtali – present
  • Eclipse – Mike Milinkovich – present
  • Ericsson Christer Boberg – present
  • Fujitsu – Mike DeNicola – present
  • Goldman Sachs – John Weir, Scot Baldry – present
  • Google Van Riper – present
  • HP – Scott Jameson – present
  • IBM – Ed Lynch, Steve Wolfe – present
  • Intel – Anil Kumar – present
  • London Java Community – Ben Evans – present
  • Oracle – Don Deutsch, Anish Karmarkar – present
  • RedHat – Scott Stark – present
  • SAP Steve Winkler – present
  • SouJava – Bruno Souza, Yara Senger – present
  • Twitter – Chris Aniszczyk – present

Total attendance: 16 of 16 voting members

Since 75% of the ME EC's 11 voting members were present, that EC was quorate for this meeting
Since 75% of the SE/EE EC's 16 voting members were present, that EC was quorate for this meeting


Changes in status as a result of non-attendance at this meeting

The EC Standing Rules state the following penalties for non-attendance at EC meetings (note that those who participate in face-to-face meetings by phone are officially counted as absent):

  • Missing two meetings in a row results in a loss of voting privileges until two consecutive meetings have been attended.
  • Missing five meetings in a row, or missing two-thirds of the meetings in any consecutive 12-month period results in loss of the EC seat.

RIM did not attend this meeting - the fifth in a row that they have missed. Consequently they forfeited their seat, effective immediately.

Personnel changes

Patrick reported EC personnel changes (see the PMO Presentation for details.)

EC stats

Patrick presented the usual EC stats.

JavaOne feedback

Patrick reviewed the JCP's participation in JavaOne (see the PMO Presentation for details.) Members agreed that scheduling conflicts were a significant cause of the poor turnout at the 'public EC meeting" and discussed various remedies. It was suggested that next year we hold this event (which we should rename "meet the EC") as an integral part of the "community day" and possibly as part of a "JCP track" during that day. We also agreed that it would be beneficial if the JCP was directly represented during the Community Keynote, and if we participated more in "hand-on" events with more of a technical content.

Election update

Patrick presented an update on the annual elections (see presentation.) He explained that Oracle had decided to keep open several of the ratified seats currently held by ME representatives until the transition to a new strategy focusing more on embedded systems and the M2M market.

Java ME/embedded JSRs

Roger Riggs gave a brief verbal overview of the two new Java ME JSRs: JSR 360: Connected Limited Device Configuration 8 and JSR 361: JavaTM ME Embedded Profile. For a more detailed overview of these JSRs see the following JavaOne presentations (follow the Presentation Download links on the top-right of the referenced pages to access the presentations):

Ben Evans asked about binary compatibility between Java SE and CLDC. Roger responded that binaries compiled for CLDC would run on Java SE, but the reverse would not be possible.

Roger also noted that there are plans for profiles of Java SE 8 that will have considerably smaller footprints than the full system.

John Rizzo pointed out that there are some IP-flow issues between MIDP 2/3 and these new JSRs. He said that Oracle and Aplix are actively working to resolve these issues, and emphasized that Aplix strongly supports these JSRs.

2013 meeting planning

We discussed schedules and locations for EC meetings in 2013. We discussed the possibility of scheduling a meeting each month, while perhaps reserving one or two of the time-slots for JSR 358 Expert Group meetings. We noted that we would probably need additional out-of-band face-to-face meetings of the JSR 358 Expert Group. Patrick agreed to follow up by email.

JSR 358 Expert Group session

We concluded with a brief JSR 358 Expert Group meeting. Don Deutsch reported that he had consulted with Oracle Legal and with Oracle execs and that there was no objection - subject to the caution that all would depend on the details of the final proposal - to moving ahead with IBM's proposal for a flatter IP flow (see hub-and-spoke IP grants.) We agreed that the best way to proceed with this would be to form a small ad-hoc group to work with Steve Wolfe on this and related proposals. Patrick pointed out the importance of keeping this group small, and of restricting membership to those who have the time and expertise to deal with these complex legal issues. Patrick agreed to follow up by email.